Cricket

[Gronk]

Bat shit boring, I know. Kind of like Baseball?

[Tim Halligan]

Heathen.

Cheers,
Tim

[Gronk]

Docker!

[Tim Halligan]

You're making it worse.

Cheers,
Tim

[Gronk]

How does it get any worse?

Freo way to go
Hit ‘em real hard send ‘em down below
Oh Freo give ‘em the old heave ho
We are the Freo Dockers

Repent, repent!

[Tim Halligan]

How does it get any worse?

I could be in Melbourne.

Cheers,
Tim

[Gronk]

I'm detecting some insincerity in your "Cheers", Tim.

[Tim Halligan]

Cheers.

Cheers,
Tim

[Gronk]

Cheers!

[nobby]

This is the time of year when usually one or two, seeking warmth, manage to find their way into the house.

Then they keep you awake at night with their racket.

But I understand your crickets use bats, not rackets. Or maybe their racket drives you bats?

[John Eppstein]

This is the time of year when usually one or two, seeking warmth, manage to find their way into the house.

Then they keep you awake at night with their racket.

But I understand your crickets use bats, not rackets. Or maybe their racket drives you bats?

Where's the "like" button?

[upstairs]

Uh, I actually started watching the sport a few months ago. Just T20s, which I understand to be "hit and giggle cricket", but hey, I'm a 'Merican. Although I don't think we're allowed to watch cricket, so maybe that's been revoked.

[Bruce Thomsen]

Meh...give me curling any day.

[weedywet]

Curling is fine too.

Actually anything beats the stupidity of American ‘football’.

[upstairs]

Curling is great because you can strategize along.

Actually anything beats the stupidity of American ‘football’.

I could stand it if it wasn't (quite literally) ~11 minutes of play amongst ~100 commercials over the course of 3 or so hours. And all of the rote manipulation of the game clock which has nothing to do with sportsmanship. And icing the kicker, all the penalties, the up-close shot of the coach every 15 seconds, etc.

I fall asleep during association football though. I'd rather watch golf.

[weedywet]

... I'd rather watch golf.

that's a game, not a sport.
Much like darts or snooker... but of course much less interesting.

[John Eppstein]

Curling is fine too.

Actually anything beats the stupidity of American ‘football’.

Yeah, but in football season my local bar has a couple of guys come in and do authentic southern barbecue on Sunday afternoons. Ribs, links, brisket, chicken, tritip, sides of collard greens, home made potato salad, mac n' cheese, something I'm forgetting, home made cornbread. Two mains and two sides for 12 bucks (plus tip) and I take some home for a TV snack later.

So I eat, drink, read, and ignore the stupid game(s).

[weedywet]

Barbecue, for starters, is REGIONAL... there isn't any such thing as "authentic Southern barbecue" as a singular thing.
Kansas City is distinct and different from Memphis which is different from Nashville, which is different from the Carolinas which is different form Texas, etc.
(and KC kicks their asses by the way)

[Bob Olhsson]

Best I ever had was in a small town in Oklahoma.

[John Eppstein]

Barbecue, for starters, is REGIONAL... there isn't any such thing as "authentic Southern barbecue" as a singular thing.
Kansas City is distinct and different from Memphis which is different from Nashville, which is different from the Carolinas which is different form Texas, etc.
(and KC kicks their asses by the way)

And your point is?

It's the same thing as "authentic French cuisine". Sure, there are many different regional varieties. So what?

[weedywet]

My point is that when one says authentic ‘southern barbecue’ without specifying a region or style it’s ALREADY clearly inauthentic.

[upstairs]

Not as inauthentic as the barbecue from that damn north!

[weedywet]

I get the joke.
But at least give the Brooklyn hipsters credit that they open TEXAS Style barbecue places or CAROLINA style barbecue places and try to do it faithfully.

It’s the neighbourhood burger places or bars who call anything bathed in rubs or sauce “authentic” barbecue that I object to.

It’s a bit like calling anything in a martini glass a martini.
It can be GOOD, even.
It’s still not a martini.

[John Eppstein]

I get the joke.
But at least give the Brooklyn hipsters credit that they open TEXAS Style barbecue places or CAROLINA style barbecue places and try to do it faithfully.

It’s the neighbourhood burger places or bars who call anything bathed in rubs or sauce “authentic” barbecue that I object to.

It’s a bit like calling anything in a martini glass a martini.
It can be GOOD, even.
It’s still not a martini.

It's bunch of African-American cats cooking Q in a grill made of 3 55 gallon drums cut in half, welded together, with grills installed. To their family recipes. I'm not certain where their tradition hails from, but it's definitely "southern" and probably translated through Oakland, which was kind of a melting pot for Q after WWII when all the southerners moved up top work in the shipyards.

You can keep your Bwooklin Hipstahs. They ain't never been to Texas, never been to Carolina, never been to Kansas City and they DAMN sure ain't never been to Oakland.

[John Eppstein]

My point is that when one says authentic ‘southern barbecue’ without specifying a region or style it’s ALREADY clearly inauthentic.

Bullshit.

Weedy, as much as I respect you, you're a Brit living in Noo Yawk City. Who are you to tell me what is or is not "authentic"? I grew up in Oklahoma and spend a fair amount of time living in Oakland and Berkeley (right on the Berkeley-Oakland border.

Given that Oakland was a melting pot of the various Southern styles I THINK that I'm probably in a pretty good position to judge southern barbecue.

[weedywet]

Nah.

And i'm willing to bet I'm more deeply immersed in the food world in general

[John Eppstein]

Nah.

And i'm willing to bet I'm more deeply immersed in the food world in general

In general, no contest. Not even close.

I'll tell you this about the guys doing the Q at my local bar on Sundays though - they have a choice of (home made) mild or hot sauce that you can apply yourself. I don't bother and they grin. It kills the taste of the meat and the wood.

[upstairs]

It kills the taste of the meat and the wood.

Hear, hear!

[weedywet]

But again that ‘no sauce’ trip is a particular thing. It’s not more ‘authentic’ as mich as it’s a regional attitude.
Texas bbq is typically no sauce. KC doesn’t disdain sauce. Carolina is kind of dependent on it.
There’s no ONE right way anymore than Sichuan is more ‘authentically ‘ Chinese than Hunan, or Roman food more “Italian” than Naples.

[John Eppstein]

But again that ‘no sauce’ trip is a particular thing. It’s not more ‘authentic’ as mich as it’s a regional attitude.
Texas bbq is typically no sauce. KC doesn’t disdain sauce. Carolina is kind of dependent on it.
There’s no ONE right way anymore than Sichuan is more ‘authentically ‘ Chinese than Hunan, or Roman food more “Italian” than Naples.

I like pretty much all good barbecue, but sometimes sauce is used to cover up inferior meat. If the meat is really good and it's cooked right it shouldn't really need sauce. I'd be more inclined to put sauce on chicken and pork can go either way. Beef I tend to go no sauce if the meat is good.